LaVida | 39: 649: 1317668704 said:
so far we have two options - geodesy or geoecology. But he understands that this geoecologist then figs where to get a job.
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well, a lot depends on parents (let's not be prudes and honestly admit that a lot in our life is done through various communication channels). And working as an ecologist in any Administration is a nice thing. And the work is not hard, and you can raise a lot of money. Although this already much depends on the character of the person himself. Well, if there is no such opportunity to attach your son, then, as it were, one option remains ...
I personally had no idea what kind of profession it was when I entered to study (and I graduated from zemfak), but after graduating from the university I went to work in the field of geodesy. And as it turned out later, he did not regret it.
Therefore, your fear that you will / will not work in your specialty is in vain. We have graduates working as cops, car mechanics, maneuvers and so on ... Someone enrolled just to get a high school diploma, some parents could attach to this specialty. It was different.Therefore, we want to give our son a "working" higher education.
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Working education. She will definitely not starve. Yes, and you can get a job without all sorts of patronage, although they will not be superfluous. And you can work successfully, but if you have your own personal interest in improving and further self-education. In any industry, there are enough good workers and outright dunce. It doesn't depend on the profession.
Therefore, the personal qualities of a person are more decisive here than the specialty of a surveyor itself. If there is interest, then it will work, but no, then even if you make it a president, it will be a slob.
And, as colleagues correctly noted above, after graduation, your son will have the opportunity to travel around the country, gaining experience, so that later he can settle in place. I myself traveled all over the country when I was young. If not for this circumstance, then figs I would have just decided to travel around the country. Over the past years, you realize that it was a valuable experience. Yes, and having run around the country, tired of this, all this helps to settle down more firmly in place, which is only a plus for family life. Although here's a comparison. There are some guys here who work thousands of kilometers from home and are loyal to their wives, although as soon as I did not test them for weakness of spirit and body, I encouraged them, but they did not give up. And there are those who, even without long-distance watches / business trips, will go to the left at the first opportunity.
So see for yourself. First, determine who your son is. Humanities or engineering warehouse person. And does he himself have a desire to study as a surveyor. For if you "break" a person, then nothing good will come of it.LaVida | 39: 649: 1317673715 said:
I made a big mistake with the choice of profession at the age of 17 ... I graduated, fool, from the geographical faculty of the university, it turned out to be not a specialty, and not a profession, it's just a set of unnecessary knowledge
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here it is not a matter of geology, but the fact that you could not extract the necessary grain from this knowledge. Try to prevent your son from making the same mistake. You see, you can give a person the very, very knowledge, conduct classes with the best teachers, but ... as with Vladimir Semyonich:
But if dumb as a tree, you will be born a baobab
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No place paints a person. You can also climb in the "Smoking room" section, there they wrote a lot on these issues, where it is serious, where not very much, but I think it will be interesting. I apologize for the confusion, the time is late, but I just came to launch a torrent on my computer for the night, and then an interesting topic caught my eye ...
Salary: how much does a surveyor receive *
Beginning: 20,000 per month
Experienced: 50,000 per month
Professional: 96000 monthly
* - information on salaries is roughly based on vacancies on profiling sites. The salary in a specific region or company may differ from those shown. Your income is greatly influenced by how you can apply yourself in the chosen field of activity. Income is not always limited only by the fact that you are offered vacancies in the labor market.
Demand for the profession
They are in demand in construction, architecture, mining, as well as in state and municipal structures (real estate departments, cadastral chamber).
Who is the profession for?
Required personal qualities:
- Technical mind
- mathematical ability
- attentiveness
- hardening
- good physical fitness
Career
There is a job hierarchy. In the presence of certain conditions (additional education, work experience, personal and professional qualities, etc.), career growth is possible from a surveyor on topographic, geodetic and mine surveying to the head of the department of geodesy. There are also more modest positions: surveyor technician, surveyor engineer, senior surveyor, leading surveyor, department engineer.
Duties
- conducting executive geodetic surveys;
- office work (processing of materials collected in the process of field topographic, geological, soil and other special studies of any territory);
- implementation of out-of-line geodetic works;
- development and / or examination of geodetic documentation;
- geodetic control of the accuracy of the geometric parameters of buildings (structures).
How does the construction of any modern city, village, district or large building begin? That's right, with a careful study of the topography of the area and all the relief features of the surrounding area. And the surveyor is engaged in this - a person whose professionalism largely determines the safety and stability of any apartment building or industrial facility, the convenience of the location of the surrounding streets and an accurate display of all structures on the map.
How does the construction of any modern city, village, district or large building begin? That's right, with a careful study of the topography of the area and all the relief features of the surrounding area. And he is doing this surveyor - a person whose professionalism largely determines the safety and stability of any apartment building or industrial facility, the convenience of the location of the surrounding streets and an accurate display of all structures on the map.
Anyway, a surveyor is a multifaceted profession, without which not a single sphere of our life can do, one way or another connected with the study of the surface of the planet Earth. However, despite the obvious importance and significance of the work of a surveyor, this profession is not among the most popular among applicants. Why? Most likely due to the fact that the work of a surveyor has certain features that not every person can accept and understand. What are these features? But you will learn about this from our article, which, as you already understood, is dedicated to surveyors.
Who is a surveyor?
A surveyor is a specialist who determines and fixes the coordinates and heights of points on the earth's surface. The data obtained can be used both for creating topographic plans or maps of a GPS navigator, and for searching for minerals, observing changes in the earth's crust, etc.
The name of the profession comes from the Greek γεωδαισία (division of the earth), and the historical roots of its origin date back to the period of ancient Babylon. It was during the excavations of this city that the first analogues of modern geodetic journals were discovered, which date back to the 7th century BC. Babylonian scholars recorded their calculations on clay tablets, which, apparently, were widely used for measuring land and compiling local maps.
Modern surveyors are not limited only to the study of surface relief. Today there are several directions surveyor profession, each of which performs narrowly focused tasks:
- higher geodesy - deals with the study of the size of our planet, its gravitational field and the movement of the earth's crust (both modern and those that occurred in ancient times);
- engineering geodesy - develops methods for conducting geodetic measurements that allow you to verify the degree of deformation of structures and ensure the construction of structures in strict accordance with the approved project;
- topography - specializes in measuring the geometric characteristics of various objects on the surface;
- space geodesy - includes geodetic measurements, which are carried out both on the surface of the Earth and from satellites;
- mine surveying - specialists in this area are responsible for geodetic measurements in the bowels of the earth.
The duties of a surveyor depend on the direction of the profession. However, there are several basic responsibilities that are present in each direction. This is direct work on the ground (calculating coordinates), processing the results obtained, analyzing data and drawing up topographic maps and plans.
What personal qualities should a surveyor have?
Surveyor job can be compared with the work of a sapper: both one and the second and has no room for error. Therefore, representatives of this profession must necessarily have such personal qualities as:
- accuracy;
- scrupulousness;
- pedantry;
- organization;
- diligence;
- discipline;
- attention to detail;
- the ability to quickly navigate;
- emotional balance;
- analytical mind;
- associative thinking.
In addition, the surveyor must be physically resilient, have sharp eyesight and good color perception, have excellent coordination of movements, a "firm" hand and a developed amount of attention (that is, the ability to simultaneously perceive several objects at once). A good "help" in the work of a surveyor can be a penchant for research activities and the ability to "keep in mind" large amounts of the most versatile information for a long time.
Benefits of the Surveyor Profession
Despite the fact that hundreds of surveyors graduate from educational institutions every year, the demand for this profession in the labor market is felt very sharply. Therefore, those guys who choose this profession intelligently and "at the behest of the heart" can easily get a job. In addition to being in demand, work qualified surveyor has such advantages as:
- high level of earnings - the average salary of a surveyor in Russia is 40-50 thousand rubles;
- a wide choice of places of work - today surveyors can work both in state institutions (BTI, city and rural administrations, research institutes, etc.), and in private structures (construction organizations, oil-producing corporations, etc.);
- extensive "knowledge base" - in the process of training the surveyor studies the theory and practice of not only geodetic, but astronomical and gravimetric works, and also acquires the skills of topographic reading, mathematical cartography, drawing, various methods of surveying the area, etc.
Disadvantages of the surveyor profession
Since the work of any surveyor is inextricably linked with the personal study of the area, the main disadvantage of this profession can be called open-air work (and not always under favorable weather conditions). This leads to another drawback - field working conditions (that is, a toilet under the nearest bush, a dry lunch, and the like). Also among the disadvantages of this profession can be distinguished.
People who decide to make a career in geological business may meet such a specialty as a mine surveyor. To understand who he is, you need to understand the meaning of a foreign word. Translated from German, "mark" means a border or mark, and "shader" is a separator. This combination of definitions is typical of a geological engineer of a technical nature. He is investigating potentially interesting soil areas for the presence of minerals and the possibility of starting construction.
A surveyor is engaged in taking measurements on the surface of the earth and in its depths, performing geometric calculations in order to subsequently display the results on maps and plans. The principles of geological exploration and mining operations are based on these indicators, their feasibility and degree of safety are assessed.
The work of surveyors is based on the need for geometric measurements in the bowels of the earth. Their responsibilities do not end there. Depending on the profile, the content of the job description of such employees may include: geological exploration, planning and creation of specialized structures, launching facilities into operation and checking their safety. All this is possible only if the employee has the necessary theoretical knowledge and skills in handling geodetic instruments.
History of the profession
The first geological engineers appeared as early as our era, when people appreciated the properties of various metals, and there was a need for the extraction of valuable raw materials. These specialists were engaged in the identification of deposits, control of the working process at the mines. Even then, they used mathematical principles in planning their activities - this made it possible to simplify the procedure, make it as profitable and safe as possible.
The word “mine surveyor” appeared in Russia at the time of Peter I. He brought the first specialists from Europe, their services were needed, and soon the direction began to develop actively. With this tsar in our country, the first faculties in the field arose, teaching those wishing to the intricacies of geodesy.
Mine surveyor in the modern sense
The years of development of science have not made serious changes in it, but added nuances. Today, what a narrow profile employee does depends on his specialization, goals and objectives. In any case, the employee must have universal skills, the ability to apply theoretical data in practice.
A narrow direction in the mining engineer profession requires knowledge in the following areas:
- rules for preparing a site for geodetic work;
- the nuances of organizing and conducting the process itself both in the bowels of the earth and on its surface;
- drawing up maps of the area, developing plans according to their indications;
- the ability to assess the correctness of the flow of processes, to introduce adjustments in time to increase productivity, to eliminate the development of dangerous situations;
- the surveyor should be legally savvy in their field. He must know what legal responsibility is in his case and what regulatory documents it is controlled by;
- deep knowledge of techniques, rules and nuances of mining, methods of identifying and evaluating deposits.
The profession of mine surveyor is an important part of the construction industry, a number of industries, and mining. Its representative does not always collect data, evaluate them and calculate them. Today, such professionals are increasingly used in space exploration projects and in scientific work. The demand for specialists in ventilation, pumping and purification equipment, mineralogy, and explosives is growing. Their knowledge is applied in the design and application of mining machines.
Where to get the profession and specialty of a surveyor
People who are predisposed to the exact sciences can count on a successful career as a geological engineer. Professionals in this field need to have more than just geological knowledge. Knowledge in mathematics, physics, chemistry, computer science is highly valued. The same subjects most often have to be taken by those entering technical universities of a geological or mining profile. Drawing is sometimes an additional test.
In Russia, the specialization of a geological engineer can be obtained in the following ways:
- get any technical education at a university, then go to specialized courses;
- graduate from college or technical school in a geological profile. After that, it is recommended to get a job in order to start gaining experience in the field, while continuing to study. You can become a geological engineer only after receiving a diploma from a higher educational institution;
- initially enroll in a university for the chosen specialty. The best faculties are considered to be the mining universities of Moscow, St. Petersburg and Yekaterinburg.
The duration of training depends on where to study as a surveyor and what goals you set for yourself. The duration of the course is from 3 to 6 months. You will have to study in a secondary specialized institution for 2.5-3 years. It takes 4-5 years to graduate. People looking for career development are encouraged to constantly improve their level of education through courses, seminars, forums.
Duties
Not all surveyors work in underground mines, mines or construction sites. Some professionals spend most of their time in an office or laboratory. What a particular employee should do is determined by his job description.
The list of basic duties of a geological engineer:
- conducting reconnaissance on the ground, taking measurements, sampling materials;
- drawing up a work plan for the project or one of its stages;
- determination of all parameters by which the development of a mineral resource will be carried out;
- site preparation for construction, mining, production or engineering work, by installing support networks;
- distribution of tasks to working groups, monitoring and evaluation of their activities;
- identification of potentially problematic, difficult and dangerous areas;
- selection and verification of the functionality of the necessary equipment;
- filling in technical and permitting documentation.
Also, every surveyor must know safety precautions and follow them in the reporting area. An experienced employee is able to predict in advance what mistakes may be made at one stage or another of the work. To do this, he needs not only professional knowledge, but also certain personal qualities. The list of mandatory ones includes: accuracy, responsibility, composure and stress resistance.
Place of work
Depending on the characteristics of the type of activity, specialists work on projects of a different plan. They are necessary in the conduct of underground construction, involved in the creation of massive structures. Mine surveyors work in the organizations of "Glavtonnelmetrostroy", in the exploration of mineral deposits. Without the professionals of the direction, the activity of the mining industry is impossible. Without a preliminary assessment of the project by the mine surveyor, work in mines, mines, open pits is significantly complicated. Today, such employees are increasingly involved in the construction of roads. They conduct reconnaissance surveys, set the boundaries of projects, assess the quality of the soil and, depending on this, choose the optimal scheme for the team's work.
Pros and cons of the profession
The work of a mine surveyor is complex, multidisciplinary and specific. It is only suitable for the person who is truly interested in the direction. Such a geological engineer has many chances for career growth, professional development and profit from what he loves.
Every year in our country and around the world, grandiose projects are launched. Thanks to them, surveyors can realize their potential and earn a name.
The success of the project, its commercial return, and the safety of workers depend on the quality of the organization of underground workings. All this imposes great responsibility on the surveyor, which can be considered a minus. On the other hand, such a challenge is not difficult for a specialist who is confident in his knowledge and skills.
Wage
At the start, the salary of an employee is 30-40 thousand rubles. As you gain experience, you can count on an increase in salary in mine surveying by 2-3 times. Group leaders, project curators, researchers earn at least 120-130 thousand rubles.
The demand for mine surveyors is increasing every year. The number of specialized universities is growing, there are opportunities for obtaining the necessary knowledge by correspondence or remotely. If there is ambition and desire to develop, the professional growth of a geological engineer can be rapid and stable. This is the key to its implementation and financial success.
Geodesy is a science, without which it is impossible to imagine the modern world with all its buildings, structures, maps. Any construction starts with And this work is not as easy as it seems initially. A specialist in this area must know many disciplines, have a number of skills and personal characteristics in order to work successfully in this area. This article discusses what geodesy and remote sensing are, where to learn this specialty, what it will take and how to get a job later.
The essence of the work of a surveyor and a description of the specialty
How does the construction of buildings begin? From measurements of the territory, determining the terrain, objects on it, soil composition, the presence of groundwater and many other nuances that are often completely incomprehensible to the layman. Most surveyors work in this area. Cities are growing, buildings are being built, the demand for specialists is growing.
In fact, surveying is a much wider niche than it seems at first glance. Geodetic works are divided into three levels:
- The first level - surveying a specific area, finding points on the earth's surface relative to the relief, drawing up topographic maps. It is these measurements that make it possible to build bridges, roads, dams, various structures and structures.
- The second level of geodesy is country-wide measurements. at this level are plotted relative to the curvature of the earth's surface.
- The third level is the highest geodesy. The entire earth's surface, the position of the planet in space, its gravitational field and much more are studied.
Common requirements for applicants
Geodesy and remote sensing belong to the exact sciences. Education in this direction requires the student to have a mathematical mindset, the ability to calculate a variety of formulas and indicators, knowledge of chemical and physical processes. In addition, it is necessary to have adequate health, since you will have to be "on your feet" for a long time, be able to accurately record the measurement results, and draw conclusions based on the data obtained. In construction, a surveyor spends half of his working time at the site of the proposed object with bulky and inconvenient equipment, takes measurements from different points, and constantly moves. Its work is practically independent of weather phenomena. Whether it is rain, snow, sunshine or cold, the surveyor must take his measurements on time, make calculations and provide the result of the work to the customer. Construction in modern cities does not stop with the arrival of an unfavorable season, which means that a specialist in this profession must be ready for any test.
Duration of training and basic skills
In most universities offering training in the Geodesy and Remote Sensing program, the duration is about four years. During this period, the student receives a lot of useful skills and knowledge that he needs in his future work. Among them are the following:
- the ability to organize and conduct field office topographic and geodetic works, aerial photography;
- the ability to create a map or plan based on data obtained as a result of aerial surveys;
- the ability to understand and decipher information from video and photographic materials obtained in the process of ground and aerial surveys, as well as images from space satellites;
- the ability to supplement and update existing maps and plans of the area, taking into account the identified changes;
- construction of 3D models of the earth's surface, engineering complexes, taking into account all the features of the landscape;
- performance of measuring work required for the construction, design and use of engineering complexes;
- exploration of nature and resources using sounding;
- study of various fields of the earth and other planets;
- creation of topographic and cadastral maps;
- study of land changes, surface sounding for the purpose of infrastructure development;
- control over the ecology of the country.
Geodesy and remote sensing: Russian universities
The work of a surveyor is quite specific. Not every university can offer high-quality educational activities in this direction due to the lack of material resources and trained personnel. On the territory of the Russian Federation, the direction "Geodesy and Remote Sensing" is offered in 16 higher educational institutions. They are located in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Krasnoyarsk, Rostov-on-Don, Ulan-Ude, Kazan, Yekaterinburg, Omsk, Michurinsk, Voronezh and Nizhny Novgorod. Among these 16 universities, the most promising and well-known are the following:
- geodesy and cartography.
- State University of Land Management.
- URFU them. Boris N. Yeltsin.
- National Open Institute of Russia in St. Petersburg.
All these educational institutions are located in developed cities, are equipped with all the necessary material and information base and are widely known for the level of educational activity not only in Russia, but also in foreign countries.
Ural Federal University
Special attention should be paid to Ural Federal University. Boris N. Yeltsin. This university is located in the Sverdlovsk region, in the city of Yekaterinburg. It has been operating in the field of providing educational services since 1920. This university guarantees its students a deferment from military service and a state diploma. The university includes 14 branches in different cities, a business school and an institute of management and entrepreneurship. The educational institution regularly participates in the ratings. It ranks 107th out of more than two thousand universities in the country. In it, students can study not only the specialty "Geodesy and Remote Sensing", but also many other equally popular and prestigious professions from the general array of technical, economic, humanitarian and natural sciences.
Minimum passing scores and exams
At URFU "Geodesy and Remote Sensing" is a well-known, prestigious and popular specialty among applicants. To enter this specialty, you must complete 11 classes of school and pass the unified state exam in mathematics (profile), computer science and ICT, as well as the Russian language. The minimum passing score for the first two exams is 55 points. The Russian language must be passed at least 36. Among applicants last year, the passing score was 191. At the same time, 18 budget places were allocated for applicants in this specialty. For some categories of students, a discount of up to 20% for tuition is available for a fee.
